FJ!! ([info]fj) wrote,
@ 2008-08-27 13:57:00
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Not Always Right
This entry on notalwaysright.com is reinforcing my desire to order everything I ever want over the web so I never have to enter a store and talk to store help again. Especially a tech store. Actually, let me just reproduce the entry here for you:

Customer: “Hello, I just bought this iPod, and I can’t make it go.”

Me: “What’s the problem?”

Customer: “It won’t go.”

Me: “Okay, how exactly?”

Customer: “IT WON’T GO.”

Me: “Can I see your iPod?”

(The customer takes out iPod Touch and shows it to me. I turn it on and open up Safari.)

Me: “It seems to be working fine.”

(I hand it back to her. She presses the home button multiple times.)

Customer: “How did you do that? It’s not working.”

Me: “Ma’am, what kind of iPod is that?”

Customer: “iPod Touch.”

Me: “Yeah… so try TOUCHING one of the icons on the screen.”

(She does.)

Customer: “OH MY GOD, THAT IS SO COOL! YOU’RE A GENIUS!”

Me: “Yeah, well.”

Look, since the first screen came out we UI makers have spent decades telling people through the systems we designed that the screen is dead. You need a knob or buttons to tune the radio, you need to press quickly to cycle through digits in an alarm, you have to look at the remote and hit the special button to cycle through system entries for the VCR, you press the arrows on the microwave to change the cooking time or hit some timer button repeatedly, we use mice and pads and trackballs to move pointers and we are supposed to laugh at pets and small children when they try to paw moving things on the TV screen. 40 years of UI experiences right there: the screen only displays. (Then UI designers had the gall to name the paradigm of moving a mouse to make something on the screen, at least a foot away from the hand doing the moving, happen 'Direct Manipulation'.)

Sure this has now changed with tablet PCs, but those never took off with the general population, and you still need a stylus for most of them. Little personal organizers also come with styluses. And yes, touch screens really are nothing new; I remember seeing billboards for touch-screen systems in the mid-to-late eighties when I was visiting Brussels -- an HP business system, with the big slogan "Touchez l'ecran. L'ecran responds" or something close to that because I cannot spell French -- but that system did not take over the world, the mouse-based systems did. (I do remember my mother's answer to me telling her excitedly of this new computer I had seen an ad for was of course something about greasy fingerprint. Bit of a wet blanket, but I now fully understand where she was coming from.)

To this day, every touch-activated kiosk has some form of "TOUCH HERE TO START" on the screen because else the majority of people will not know what to do, and certainly will not try touching screens in public without knowing on forehand that is a reasonable thing to do, lest they look in public as 'stupid' as a small child or cat pawing something on the screen. And even then, most kios touch screens have such bad tracking you end up looking like a moron anyway, repeatedly mashing the screen until you walk away in disgust. You know where you got to see touch screens widely deployed? All Star Trek series after the original one. As in, touch screens are Sci-Fi.

But not to this snotty store kid, who probably even rewrote this exchange to make him or herself look better. Well, one day they will be older too, and their years of experience with technology will stand in the way of "just" knowing something so "simple" it is worth being oblique and patronizing about to a customer, instead of sharing the joy of something new finally hitting the consumer market.

(X-Posted to TST.com)


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[info]fj
2008-08-27 01:02 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, TST is my new little project. I am using Disqus as a comment system because it allows OpenID logins and threading, but alas, they do not show how you can log in using your LJ or Yahoo or AIM identity on the comment form on the entry itself. I have to fix that, and migrate relevant back-entries.

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[info]quirkstreet
2008-08-27 01:22 pm UTC (link)
I look forward to more of this. Haven't checked the site link yet but I will.

One of the key aspects of front-line customer service is trying to maintain empathy with the customer. And it's NOT for the faint of heart, because by the time people get to you, they're usually very frustrated, and you're who they can reach with that.

Here's the thing I notice: not all of my users want to be "empowered." And it's the ones who *don't* want to learn their tech, who are so afraid of it, or so annoyed at being forced to use it, that wind up being the hardest to serve.

But the people who are willing and able to learn usually come to me with fewer and fewer problems over time.

So while I'm happy to be given credit for being a "genius" (and I got that from a user just last week, over something that, for me, was really simple), it's actually to my benefit to help them realize that their questions are not so dumb, their concerns not so invalid, and that they can learn some of this stuff too, enough to help themselves more.

Because then the questions they do bring me are genuinely more complex and don't feel as much like a waste of time for all of us. They usually come to me after trying their best, and although still frustrated, they don't always feel quite so powerless. Especially if I can honestly say (as I often can), "Yeah, you tried all the smart ideas, so let's see what's going on."

Shaming the user/customer into feeling like an idiot ... well, I can't say I've never done it. But in the long run, it doesn't pay very good dividends for ME, let alone THEM.

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[info]vernnyc
2008-08-27 01:23 pm UTC (link)
I remember having the opposite experience in 1989 when I was overhearing an Apple employee explaining to an AppleFest attendee how to eject a disk from a mac. He was very patient and explained the whole thing to her. Meanwhile I was in the throws of "it's obvious" in my mind when it clicked that the way that it was done made no sense given that you use the same action to delete a file.

I felt bad as he explained this to her... he even apologized to her that it might be a little confusing. I was humbled by thi man's customer service mojo!

Ten years later, they finally made the trash can turn into an eject symbol if you drag something that would be ejected rather than deleted if dragged to the trash.




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[info]dampscribbler
2008-08-27 02:04 pm UTC (link)
"Macs are intuitive" my tucchus. Remember how often we heard "Macs are intuitive" in the 80's? Grr!

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[info]dpnash
2008-08-27 02:19 pm UTC (link)
Yeah - I've admittedly used Macs very little, but I find them "intuitive" only once they're explained to me. Like - someone had to tell me about how if you're reading a webpage, and you drag two fingers down the track pad on a Mac laptop, it scrolls the page. I never would have found that on my own, but once it was shown me, I'm like "that's bloody brilliant, why doesn't Windows do that?"

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[info]theoctothorpe
2008-08-27 03:59 pm UTC (link)
Windows can. I don't think either OS is set up to do that as a default, however.

It's a hardware thing. The trackpad on your machine has to allow for multi-touch. Some WinPCs have a dedicated area on the trackpad (Toshibas for example) for scrolling (the extreme right side and bottom).

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[info]cpratt
2008-08-27 04:37 pm UTC (link)
In some sense, it can't. IIRC it's all third-party hardware and drivers that do that; I've seen HP laptops that do it, Dells that don't, and, well, YMMV.

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[info]dampscribbler
2008-08-27 10:27 pm UTC (link)
I find them "intuitive" only once they're explained to me.

Yes, that's it exactly.

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[info]dr_memory
2008-08-27 05:21 pm UTC (link)
Er, in the 1980s, they were called "intuitive" as compared to PC-DOS and WordPerfect. It wasn't a particularly unreasonable claim at the time; things have changed a bit since then.

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[info]dampscribbler
2008-08-27 10:24 pm UTC (link)
But I *had* learned the PC-DOS, over time. The attitude around Macs seemed to be that using them was so easy and natural that it didn't have to be learned. Of course that wasn't true.

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[info]nooks
2008-08-27 01:30 pm UTC (link)

On the other hand it's pretty hard to believe that someone could buy an iPod Touch and somehow have missed the extravagant marketing campaign around the interface. I'm about ready to call bullshit and say the poster just made up the whole exchange.

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[info]quirkstreet
2008-08-27 01:39 pm UTC (link)
Speculation: a bunch of this person's friends or relatives are techier than the customer, and said "Wow, you've been envying our MP3 players for years but you are scared of technology, well, you HAVE TO get this, it's sooooo easy." Customer relies on word-of-mouth rather than advertising, and doesn't even realize there's been a whole UI paradigm shift.

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[info]pagerbear
2008-08-27 01:41 pm UTC (link)
Curse you for exposing me to that site!

Bananas For Vanana
Ice Cream Shop | Florida, USA
Me: “Welcome to ***, how can I help you?”
Customer: “Yes, I’d like some banana ice cream.”
Me: “Sure thing.”
(She pays and leaves. A moment later, she storms in, literally pushing people out of the way.)
Customer: “This is not what I ordered!”
Me: “I’m sorry ma’am, I’ll be happy to change that for you.”
Customer: “You better!”
Me: “So, what can I get for you?”
Customer: “Banana ice cream.”
Me: “Banana? That’s what I served you earlier. Is that not banana?”
Customer: “No. I said banana!”
Me: “Yes, banana.”
Customer:: “You taste it! It’s not banana! I said banana!
Me: “Ma’am, I’ll be happy to give you a new bowl. Perhaps, since we mix our own ice cream, the banana taste wasn’t mixed all the way through.”
Customer: “Listen, I said banana, not banana!”
Me: “…”
Customer: “BANANA BANANA BANANA!”
Me: “Banana?”
(Suddenly, her B’s turn into V’s…)
Customer: “Vanana!”
Me: “Oh my God. Vanilla?”
Customer: “Yes you dumb, b****! VANANA!”

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[info]nipper_dawg
2008-08-27 01:42 pm UTC (link)
i disagree. This is really the customers fault on not even taking the time to learn the basics of operatin. i run into this all the time with cars and owners manuals. i have people come to me with inoperable car systems, or worse, ruined car systems, because they never ever bothered to open the owners manual. It is there for a reason, including instructions on how to turn things on. All the time this "customer" took to get frustrated and go to the store to get a salesperson to help could have been solved by taking a few minutes to read how to turn the thing on. She obviously managed to get music on it, so she had to read something someplace along the line.

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[info]fj
2008-08-27 05:34 pm UTC (link)
The reality of selling small electronic consumer products in the US is that the customer simply will not read a manual. We can say they should, but if you want to make the customer happy, we need to design around the fact they won't, and the product really needs to be self-explanatory. A little Touch Here sign on the first start-up screen might have helped.

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[info]dampscribbler
2008-08-27 01:55 pm UTC (link)
I had a similar problem the first time I used a Mac. My boyfriend had called it "idiot proof," which only made me feel worse than an idiot when I turned the thing on, stared at a grey screen, fiddled with the mouse, pushed some buttons, and repeatedly got no response from the thing. I still can't remember what I needed to do to make it work, because while I have learned to use Macs since then, I've never been fond of them.

Edit to add: Customer education is the key. If these piehole kids understood that their job isn't "customer service" but "customer education," maybe they wouldn't be so condescending. You're sharing an exciting technology, dummy, not straining your back, so be nice about it.

Edited at 2008-08-27 01:57 pm UTC

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[info]dpnash
2008-08-27 02:10 pm UTC (link)
Touchez l'ecran. L'ecran responds

Very close. "Touchez l'écran. L'écran répond."

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[info]iejw
2008-08-27 03:04 pm UTC (link)
I think the thing that’s impressed me most about the London Underground’s new ticketing system is the touch-screen machines. They actually work well. You don’t have to stab at them, and they don’t think you’re pressing the button five inches to the left… It’s like proper technology doing what it’s supposed to…

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[info]theoctothorpe
2008-08-27 04:03 pm UTC (link)
Still not as good as NYCs

But thank the gods they finally got rid (mostly) of the "giant bank of push-button hell" machines they used to have (in LDN).

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[info]iejw
2008-08-27 05:26 pm UTC (link)
Hmmm. I seem to remember hating NYCs. Though I don't remember why...

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[info]fj
2008-08-27 05:31 pm UTC (link)
They work really well, and so do the Heathrow Express machines.

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[info]ranger1
2008-08-27 04:27 pm UTC (link)
I doubt any rewrite was necessary.

Go spend a day working in a retail store. Then let me know how well your utopian designer vision of customer/product harmony protected you from verbal abuse and having products physically thrown at you. (Yes, I've seen it happen. At the start of a conversation, no less.)

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[info]fj
2008-08-27 05:31 pm UTC (link)
I didn't think I wrote a vision here, and I am sure retail in general is brutal. But I am just talking about this story.

If this vignette had been written to actually start with an irate customer throwing things at the store rep, him reacting by being a dick about product names might have seemed justified. Instead it seems to start with simply a confused customer instead.

But if customers are throwing products around, they must be really disappointed by them.



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[info]ranger1
2008-08-28 06:00 am UTC (link)
The guy in the asylum who thinks he's Napoleon? He must be really disappointed that the French government doesn't accept him as their leader. Obviously the government's fault.

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Does NO ONE appreciate the value of [giving] good customer service?
[info]allanh
2008-08-28 03:16 am UTC (link)
Just about the only items I go into brick-and-mortar style stores to buy any more are shoes and pants. I worked in retail, I gave incredibly good customer service when I worked in retail (yes, even when I was 17!), and every time I visit a retail store and get treated badly, I have to restrain myself from choking the living shit out of the bratty kid doing his or her best to fuck up my day and/or a very straightforward transaction.

In fact, it's not just bratty kids. This applies to bratty so-called adults behind the counter, too.


Edited at 2008-08-28 03:17 am UTC

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[info]jhf
2008-08-29 05:30 pm UTC (link)
Driving mom's new car home from Dayton last weekend, I mashed the button on the steering wheel spoke long enough to activate the OnStar system.

"Whom would you'd like to call?"

Me: "Uh... sorry. Nevermind."

"I'm sorry, I didn't get that. Please speak the name of the person you would like to call."

Me: "Off!"
Mom: "Cancel!"

"Name not recognized. Please speak the name of the person you would like to call."

Me: "Hang up!"
Mom: "Nobody!"
Me: "Go away!"

It was a good 45 seconds of this before we resorted to trying the OnStar button again, which finally silenced it. We had a good laugh about that. It was like a scene out of a Star Trek movie. "Computer? Hello?!"

And maybe it's worth mentioning that one reason I was reluctant to try the button again was because I didn't know if it would then do some *other* thing that might show up on a bill at the end of the month. I was scared of it.

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[info]fj
2008-08-29 08:21 pm UTC (link)
What UI designers always strive for is predictability: the user needs to feel secure that they know what is going to happen next when they do something. One-button systems with multiple functions, not so good at that.

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